Russiagate, Americagate

Donald Smith

Some progressives, including people on this email thread, have been skeptical about Russiagate, although PolitiFact called denial of Russiagate the “2017 Lie of the Year ,” saying there was a mountain of evidence. Now with the Senate report on Russiagate, even Senate Republicans agree with most of the story.

Bill Moyers reports:

Five Reasons to Care About the Trump-Putin Attack on Democracy

Likewise, the NYTimes: 

Republican-Led Review Backs Intelligence Findings on Russian Interference

Still, Russiagate shouldn’t be used as an excuse to restart a Cold War.


This is a listserve to discuss the building of a global nonviolent movement to end war and establish a just and sustainable peace.
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Why aren’t they fixing the electoral college instead of blaming Ralph Nader for Gore’s loss and Putin for Hillary’s loss?   Do you know what the US did to influence the next right wing, illegally seated Russia bashing president of Ukraine who rejected the prior President’s decision to join the Eu, going instead with the Russian economic alliance which offered him a better deal, after which we sent in our buddies to overthrow him, including Clinton’s pal, Victoria Nulan who boasted about helping to overthrow the legally elected Putin supporting President?   And do you know that our Secretary of State in charge of diplomacy, Kilary,  compared Putin to Hitler after the Russians lost 27 million people to the Nazi onslaught in Russia?!   Is it any surprise that he wanted to help Trumph who came in saying what good was NATO for anyway, which we expanded right up to Russia’s borders after promising Gorbachev that  we would never do so, and for announcing that he wanted to make a deal with Russia and North Korea?   Even a broken clock is right twice a day.   The Republicans and their corrupt corporate enablers are doing more illegal things to skew the vote, the census, registration, the machines, the post office, than Russia could ever hope to accomplish by purchasing some social media time to expose some ugly truths about Killary.   Alice Why is any Russian meddling in our election such a scandal when Nixon and Kissinger interfered in the LBJ-Nixon election, urging  Vietnam not to end the war until after Nixon got elected when they would get better terms for ending the war, when Reagan urged Iran not to release the US hostages until after the election with Carter, which they did the day after Reagan defeated him,  and for just looking at what the US is doing in Venezuela today?    What is our problem?  

Alice Slater

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New York NY 10028



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The real question is why does the US interfere in the elections of almost every country in the world including Russia.


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